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	<title>Comments on: “Programmers love hierarchy … normal people hate that”</title>
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		<title>By: itauthor</title>
		<link>http://www.itauthor.com/2009/03/15/programmers-love-hierarchy-normal-people-hate-that/comment-page-1/#comment-7158</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;normal people just hate complexity&quot; - yes, that&#039;s true 
 
Whereas many programmers just *love* complexity and kind of despise simplicity. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;normal people just hate complexity&quot; - yes, that&#039;s true </p>
<p>Whereas many programmers just *love* complexity and kind of despise simplicity.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at what a complicated mess that tree is.  Maybe normal people just hate complexity. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at what a complicated mess that tree is.  Maybe normal people just hate complexity.</p>
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		<title>By: Alistair</title>
		<link>http://www.itauthor.com/2009/03/15/programmers-love-hierarchy-normal-people-hate-that/comment-page-1/#comment-7034</link>
		<dc:creator>Alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a good example of something that I think &lt;em&gt;works&lt;/em&gt; - but I wouldn&#039;t describe it as a tree because they limited it to two levels of folders. Within the second level of folders you only get items for sale, not &lt;em&gt;more&lt;/em&gt; folders.

So, for example, say I&#039;m looking for a nice old barometer to fix up in my hall - I&#039;d find Antiques at the top level of the hierarchy and (without having to click/expand anything) I&#039;d look at the 20 or so subcategories listed under Antiques and I&#039;d try clicking on &lt;a href=&quot;http://antiques.listings.ebay.com/Science-Medicine-Pre-1930_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQsacatZ20094QQsocmdZListingItemList&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Science &amp; Medicine (Pre-1930)&lt;/a&gt; to see if there were any barometers in there.

The folder metaphor is worth thinking about. Graphical operating systems have long used this metaphor. And it works if there are just one or two levels. In a real filing cabinet you &lt;em&gt;might &lt;/em&gt;put a folder within a bigger folder. You certainly wouldn&#039;t have dozens of nested folders, like I&#039;ve got in Windows Explorer. It&#039;s crazy!

Nested folders is one of the reasons why people stopped using the Bookmarks and Favorites lists in their browsers and started using &lt;a href=&quot;http://delicious.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Delicious&lt;/a&gt;, because Delicious&#039;s tagging effectively gives you a single-level hierarchy, but with the added benefit that you can find something by looking for a number of different tags, or a combination of tags.

Yes, by using shortcuts, you can effectively put a file in more than one file system folder - but it&#039;s cumbersome to do and, again, it&#039;s another way in which the folder metaphor breaks down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That's a good example of something that I think <em>works</em> - but I wouldn't describe it as a tree because they limited it to two levels of folders. Within the second level of folders you only get items for sale, not <em>more</em> folders.</p>
<p>So, for example, say I'm looking for a nice old barometer to fix up in my hall - I'd find Antiques at the top level of the hierarchy and (without having to click/expand anything) I'd look at the 20 or so subcategories listed under Antiques and I'd try clicking on <a href="http://antiques.listings.ebay.com/Science-Medicine-Pre-1930_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQsacatZ20094QQsocmdZListingItemList" rel="nofollow">Science &amp; Medicine (Pre-1930)</a> to see if there were any barometers in there.</p>
<p>The folder metaphor is worth thinking about. Graphical operating systems have long used this metaphor. And it works if there are just one or two levels. In a real filing cabinet you <em>might </em>put a folder within a bigger folder. You certainly wouldn't have dozens of nested folders, like I've got in Windows Explorer. It's crazy!</p>
<p>Nested folders is one of the reasons why people stopped using the Bookmarks and Favorites lists in their browsers and started using <a href="http://delicious.com/" rel="nofollow">Delicious</a>, because Delicious's tagging effectively gives you a single-level hierarchy, but with the added benefit that you can find something by looking for a number of different tags, or a combination of tags.</p>
<p>Yes, by using shortcuts, you can effectively put a file in more than one file system folder - but it's cumbersome to do and, again, it's another way in which the folder metaphor breaks down.</p>
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		<title>By: Artur K?pa</title>
		<link>http://www.itauthor.com/2009/03/15/programmers-love-hierarchy-normal-people-hate-that/comment-page-1/#comment-7033</link>
		<dc:creator>Artur K?pa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 00:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you think about &quot;category tree&quot; at for example EBay? Is it &quot;really need&quot; for end users ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you think about "category tree" at for example EBay? Is it "really need" for end users ?</p>
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